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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 21:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check your Rid-X too, if you use it for your septic!  After a huge infestation, we couldn&#039;t figure out where they were still coming from - and there they were, in the Rid-X box. We believe our infestation came from bird seed we bought, originally (that&#039;s the first place we found them), then they spread to the kitchen, the Rid-X, AND all of our coats hanging in our coat closet....this is making me itch, writing it! BUT, we got &#039;em all, after four months of battle....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check your Rid-X too, if you use it for your septic!  After a huge infestation, we couldn&#8217;t figure out where they were still coming from &#8211; and there they were, in the Rid-X box. We believe our infestation came from bird seed we bought, originally (that&#8217;s the first place we found them), then they spread to the kitchen, the Rid-X, AND all of our coats hanging in our coat closet&#8230;.this is making me itch, writing it! BUT, we got &#8216;em all, after four months of battle&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Callie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey LCR - you should be fine. I accidentally ate some larvae when I first found the infested peanuts in our house a couple months ago. I read on various web sites that eating them is not harmful. More gross than anything! :p Good luck getting rid of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey LCR &#8211; you should be fine. I accidentally ate some larvae when I first found the infested peanuts in our house a couple months ago. I read on various web sites that eating them is not harmful. More gross than anything! :p Good luck getting rid of them!</p>
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		<title>By: LCR</title>
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		<dc:creator>LCR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 02:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens if I just ate a moth or larvae with my cereal? Will I be sick or something? (Don&#039;t wanna be a hypocondriac or whatever the word is!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens if I just ate a moth or larvae with my cereal? Will I be sick or something? (Don&#8217;t wanna be a hypocondriac or whatever the word is!)</p>
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		<title>By: Callie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 19:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear, Ted! Right, I should have also clarified I&#039;m not in any way affiliated with either OXO or the Container Store. I love those OXO containers too! I went more with glass jars because I&#039;m not a huge fan of putting food in plastic (and glass jars were cheaper), but I did get those 5.5 qt OXO containers for the dry cat food, and that seems to work great. 

And very good idea about the peppermint! I should use some and plant some. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear, Ted! Right, I should have also clarified I&#8217;m not in any way affiliated with either OXO or the Container Store. I love those OXO containers too! I went more with glass jars because I&#8217;m not a huge fan of putting food in plastic (and glass jars were cheaper), but I did get those 5.5 qt OXO containers for the dry cat food, and that seems to work great. </p>
<p>And very good idea about the peppermint! I should use some and plant some. <img src='http://organicgardensite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a similar experience to Callie&#039;s.  I made the mistake of buying too much dog food and that is what started the infestation. 

I made a major investment in OXO products.  I keep all dog food and treats sealed, and all vulnerable products sealed, such as flour, cereal, oatmeal, tea, pasta.  This is a year later, and it has worked well.  I started off by essentially getting rid of everything in my pantry that wasn&#039;t canned, spraying heavily with vinegar, using the system of putting vulnerable products in the freezer and then moving them to sealed containers in the pantry.

I am told and believe that often we bring larvae home from the grocery store.  Now and then I see a moth flying around, which is probably normal, but the infestation has not returned. If anyone has had an infestation, you know you never want that to happen again.

I do not work for OXO and knew nothing about their products before I had to.  I am sure there are other equally good products, but I am a believer in their sealed containers.

And as Callie mentioned, it is nice to see what you have.  My kitchen/pantry I am sure is not as pretty as hers, but it is very nice having the transparency.  OXO&#039;s lid system is for me a great plus.  

I also regularly use a spray of peppermint oil (a few drops of peppermint oil in a spray quart bottle).  I also have a peppermint plant and now and then put leaves in the pantry.  Smells good and apparently the moths hate it.  I also put cedar chips in my closets.  Good and inexpensive prevention.  

So far from a major infestation a year ago to now, I am moth free.

Ted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar experience to Callie&#8217;s.  I made the mistake of buying too much dog food and that is what started the infestation. </p>
<p>I made a major investment in OXO products.  I keep all dog food and treats sealed, and all vulnerable products sealed, such as flour, cereal, oatmeal, tea, pasta.  This is a year later, and it has worked well.  I started off by essentially getting rid of everything in my pantry that wasn&#8217;t canned, spraying heavily with vinegar, using the system of putting vulnerable products in the freezer and then moving them to sealed containers in the pantry.</p>
<p>I am told and believe that often we bring larvae home from the grocery store.  Now and then I see a moth flying around, which is probably normal, but the infestation has not returned. If anyone has had an infestation, you know you never want that to happen again.</p>
<p>I do not work for OXO and knew nothing about their products before I had to.  I am sure there are other equally good products, but I am a believer in their sealed containers.</p>
<p>And as Callie mentioned, it is nice to see what you have.  My kitchen/pantry I am sure is not as pretty as hers, but it is very nice having the transparency.  OXO&#8217;s lid system is for me a great plus.  </p>
<p>I also regularly use a spray of peppermint oil (a few drops of peppermint oil in a spray quart bottle).  I also have a peppermint plant and now and then put leaves in the pantry.  Smells good and apparently the moths hate it.  I also put cedar chips in my closets.  Good and inexpensive prevention.  </p>
<p>So far from a major infestation a year ago to now, I am moth free.</p>
<p>Ted</p>
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		<title>By: Callie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanted to share my experience in case it helps others. I first saw meal moths in my kitchen about a month ago after bringing home some desserts from an Indian friend and keeping them in the cupboard too long (oops!) rather than the fridge. Fortunately I recognized what they were pretty quickly since another international friend had recently had the same issue.

I fit all dry goods I could in the freezer and froze them for 1 week. Meanwhile I put all I could fit in the fridge (since the fridge keeps any eggs from hatching) and after 1 week rotated the fridge dry goods with freezer dry goods. I threw out whatever didn&#039;t fit in the fridge or freezer, but by freezing I greatly reduced the amount I had to throw away.

After taking care of allll dry goods (anything not sealed in glass), I washed down the kitchen, including cupboards, and sprinkled cupboards with bay leaves (which apparently they don&#039;t like). It&#039;s important to check all crevices that you can - the floor by baseboards, behind the stove/fridge, inside the toaster. We have little hinge covers in the cupboards and I removed those and found two adults hiding inside. Washed those to get rid of eggs/larvae. We have cats, so I also moved their dry food to sealed containers (OXO brand). 

After freezing dry goods, I&#039;m putting them back into cupboards in hermetically sealed glass jars - they&#039;re not too expensive from The Container Store online (I googled for a coupon/free shipping). Currently, no food is allowed outside the fridge in our house unless it&#039;s in a sealed glass container.

We also got one pheremone trap and put it above the fridge, since moths like to fly up and toward walls before laying eggs. One trap per room is a good limit, because if there are more traps, the moth can&#039;t clearly smell where to fly to find it.

Next, every day we keep our eyes peeled to find all adult moths in the house and kill them. We killed 2-3 per day for the first week or so. I think this is because we have a small crack behind our cupboards where they can pupate (no food back there though, so temporary problem).

So now in just a few weeks, we rarely see a moth. When we do, it is tiny (good sign - tiny size means the larvae couldn&#039;t find much food) and we kill it. I think we&#039;re about over the infestation. 

One thing remaining though - I feel like I now see them on the back porch near our outdoor light at night. Can pantry moths survive outdoors? Not sure, but going to systematically kill them and look for anywhere outside they could be breeding, in case they come back indoors.

The upside is that with all the pretty glass jars for dry foods (and even spices - can&#039;t be too careful!) our kitchen looks really pretty, like pottery barn or something! The Container Store&#039;s great prices on glass jars really helped give me peace of mind, so that our fridge is not packed full but the moths won&#039;t get any food. Mwahaaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanted to share my experience in case it helps others. I first saw meal moths in my kitchen about a month ago after bringing home some desserts from an Indian friend and keeping them in the cupboard too long (oops!) rather than the fridge. Fortunately I recognized what they were pretty quickly since another international friend had recently had the same issue.</p>
<p>I fit all dry goods I could in the freezer and froze them for 1 week. Meanwhile I put all I could fit in the fridge (since the fridge keeps any eggs from hatching) and after 1 week rotated the fridge dry goods with freezer dry goods. I threw out whatever didn&#8217;t fit in the fridge or freezer, but by freezing I greatly reduced the amount I had to throw away.</p>
<p>After taking care of allll dry goods (anything not sealed in glass), I washed down the kitchen, including cupboards, and sprinkled cupboards with bay leaves (which apparently they don&#8217;t like). It&#8217;s important to check all crevices that you can &#8211; the floor by baseboards, behind the stove/fridge, inside the toaster. We have little hinge covers in the cupboards and I removed those and found two adults hiding inside. Washed those to get rid of eggs/larvae. We have cats, so I also moved their dry food to sealed containers (OXO brand). </p>
<p>After freezing dry goods, I&#8217;m putting them back into cupboards in hermetically sealed glass jars &#8211; they&#8217;re not too expensive from The Container Store online (I googled for a coupon/free shipping). Currently, no food is allowed outside the fridge in our house unless it&#8217;s in a sealed glass container.</p>
<p>We also got one pheremone trap and put it above the fridge, since moths like to fly up and toward walls before laying eggs. One trap per room is a good limit, because if there are more traps, the moth can&#8217;t clearly smell where to fly to find it.</p>
<p>Next, every day we keep our eyes peeled to find all adult moths in the house and kill them. We killed 2-3 per day for the first week or so. I think this is because we have a small crack behind our cupboards where they can pupate (no food back there though, so temporary problem).</p>
<p>So now in just a few weeks, we rarely see a moth. When we do, it is tiny (good sign &#8211; tiny size means the larvae couldn&#8217;t find much food) and we kill it. I think we&#8217;re about over the infestation. </p>
<p>One thing remaining though &#8211; I feel like I now see them on the back porch near our outdoor light at night. Can pantry moths survive outdoors? Not sure, but going to systematically kill them and look for anywhere outside they could be breeding, in case they come back indoors.</p>
<p>The upside is that with all the pretty glass jars for dry foods (and even spices &#8211; can&#8217;t be too careful!) our kitchen looks really pretty, like pottery barn or something! The Container Store&#8217;s great prices on glass jars really helped give me peace of mind, so that our fridge is not packed full but the moths won&#8217;t get any food. Mwahaaha.</p>
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		<title>By: Myra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 03:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter what I do, or what traps I use, the moths return.  Probably because the larvae are hanging in places you can&#039;t even see.  These hatch, breed, and it starts all over.  They go right through plastic bags, even the freezer-weight ziploc variety.  And they get under the tightest cover of a plastic storage container.  Only one thing really prevents intrusion: the glass &quot;canning&quot; type jars with a flat rubber-lined top which is sealed with a screw-on ring.  These have those metal two-part clasps.  But they&#039;re not cheap, and you&#039;d need dozens in order to store every bit of dry food, so I only use them for nuts.  Also...fly ribbons are good.  These are long strips with super sticky glue that roll out. You hang them up, moths fly into them and get stuck.  It doesn&#039;t prevent anything, but you greatly cut down the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what I do, or what traps I use, the moths return.  Probably because the larvae are hanging in places you can&#8217;t even see.  These hatch, breed, and it starts all over.  They go right through plastic bags, even the freezer-weight ziploc variety.  And they get under the tightest cover of a plastic storage container.  Only one thing really prevents intrusion: the glass &#8220;canning&#8221; type jars with a flat rubber-lined top which is sealed with a screw-on ring.  These have those metal two-part clasps.  But they&#8217;re not cheap, and you&#8217;d need dozens in order to store every bit of dry food, so I only use them for nuts.  Also&#8230;fly ribbons are good.  These are long strips with super sticky glue that roll out. You hang them up, moths fly into them and get stuck.  It doesn&#8217;t prevent anything, but you greatly cut down the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am fighting this battle as well.  When we first noticed these moths in the spring (fly out of the pantry when you open the door) we didn&#039;t think too much about it- would just kill them as we see them.  Then one day my husband called me at work (I was lucky to be at work!) to tell me a disgusting tale of larvae in the pantry, &#039;dripping&#039; from metal baskets that we stored dry goods in.  My husbands story was about thousands of these creepy things.  I can&#039;t believe that they got so out of control in a short period of time.  He did the cleaning, I went out and got all these snap lid, hard plastic containers (invested close to $200).  The pantry got a good disinfecting; all grains foods were tossed; all other containers/cans were thoroughly washed.  We started almost from scratch, everything is in tightly sealed containers.  

But, here I am, talking about this because the moths are back- I guess they were never 100% gone.  We have used the Safer brand traps, and they do work, but only on trapping males, as many people have noted.  The hard plastic containers were a total waste of $.  They looked nice because the pantry is now so organized.  But, now I&#039;m investing in glass snap lid containers with rubber rings.  I do put all flour in the freezer for at least a week.  But, what difference does that make if it goes, afterwards, into a pantry where the moths live.  These moths seem really attracted to (in our house) the flour and the nuts.  I will be ordering the cupboard moth traps that are recommended on this website.  From now on the flour products will live permanently in the spare freezer, or I might invest in another fridge to store them there.  Not sure what to do about the nuts.  Those salvaged are now in the glass snap lid containers.  Has anyone seen a case where the larvae/moths got inside those containers?  Good luck to everyone in this war.. Stay strong..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am fighting this battle as well.  When we first noticed these moths in the spring (fly out of the pantry when you open the door) we didn&#8217;t think too much about it- would just kill them as we see them.  Then one day my husband called me at work (I was lucky to be at work!) to tell me a disgusting tale of larvae in the pantry, &#8216;dripping&#8217; from metal baskets that we stored dry goods in.  My husbands story was about thousands of these creepy things.  I can&#8217;t believe that they got so out of control in a short period of time.  He did the cleaning, I went out and got all these snap lid, hard plastic containers (invested close to $200).  The pantry got a good disinfecting; all grains foods were tossed; all other containers/cans were thoroughly washed.  We started almost from scratch, everything is in tightly sealed containers.  </p>
<p>But, here I am, talking about this because the moths are back- I guess they were never 100% gone.  We have used the Safer brand traps, and they do work, but only on trapping males, as many people have noted.  The hard plastic containers were a total waste of $.  They looked nice because the pantry is now so organized.  But, now I&#8217;m investing in glass snap lid containers with rubber rings.  I do put all flour in the freezer for at least a week.  But, what difference does that make if it goes, afterwards, into a pantry where the moths live.  These moths seem really attracted to (in our house) the flour and the nuts.  I will be ordering the cupboard moth traps that are recommended on this website.  From now on the flour products will live permanently in the spare freezer, or I might invest in another fridge to store them there.  Not sure what to do about the nuts.  Those salvaged are now in the glass snap lid containers.  Has anyone seen a case where the larvae/moths got inside those containers?  Good luck to everyone in this war.. Stay strong..</p>
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		<title>By: LLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 07:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have fought the battle with flour moths in my kitchen.  After spending tons of money on the pheramon traps I decided to try those black and decker ultrasonic pest repeller.  It was around $20 but it works.  Now those darned moths are in my bird seed so I need another repeller to put near the bird cage.  The only thing the repeller doesnt seem to work on is flys.  So glad I am not constantly having to buy those pheramon traps anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have fought the battle with flour moths in my kitchen.  After spending tons of money on the pheramon traps I decided to try those black and decker ultrasonic pest repeller.  It was around $20 but it works.  Now those darned moths are in my bird seed so I need another repeller to put near the bird cage.  The only thing the repeller doesnt seem to work on is flys.  So glad I am not constantly having to buy those pheramon traps anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have these buggers but they are now much more managable. I first noticed worms dropping from my apartment ceiling. After being totally grossed out and walking around crouched over I got rid of all my open plastic/paper packaged food, washed, vacumed, but they kept coming back. Later we moved, and brought a few of the buggers with us. They wrap themselves in everything, from clothes to tiny curves in plastic, wood, whatever they can find to feel secure to make the cacoon. I&#039;ve dumped more food then I care to imagine. I&#039;ve got my dry goodstuff wrapped in ziplock bags and flour/ect in tupperware but may be rethinking this as I&#039;ve read they eat through the plastic. I then bought the trap and between the two things we have a much more managable problem, but still a problem. I&#039;m about to do the venigar wash down, maybe repaint the pantry, dump the food again, and pray that they are gone for good. Apparently they like spices too and as hard as this is to do, I think I&#039;m gonna have to dump my spices. Oh, a do be sure to check your toaster--that was about the worst place to find these buggers, excepting of course the infested box of food you recently ate out of. And wash your clothes too. I stored off season clothes in the attic, took them out for the new season, and out came some moths... again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have these buggers but they are now much more managable. I first noticed worms dropping from my apartment ceiling. After being totally grossed out and walking around crouched over I got rid of all my open plastic/paper packaged food, washed, vacumed, but they kept coming back. Later we moved, and brought a few of the buggers with us. They wrap themselves in everything, from clothes to tiny curves in plastic, wood, whatever they can find to feel secure to make the cacoon. I&#8217;ve dumped more food then I care to imagine. I&#8217;ve got my dry goodstuff wrapped in ziplock bags and flour/ect in tupperware but may be rethinking this as I&#8217;ve read they eat through the plastic. I then bought the trap and between the two things we have a much more managable problem, but still a problem. I&#8217;m about to do the venigar wash down, maybe repaint the pantry, dump the food again, and pray that they are gone for good. Apparently they like spices too and as hard as this is to do, I think I&#8217;m gonna have to dump my spices. Oh, a do be sure to check your toaster&#8211;that was about the worst place to find these buggers, excepting of course the infested box of food you recently ate out of. And wash your clothes too. I stored off season clothes in the attic, took them out for the new season, and out came some moths&#8230; again.</p>
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